If really I still have gold after Bulwark/Randuins/Warmogs/BOTRK, then yes.. LW or GA would be better at this stage of the game (at least 50 min). But this usually will not happen.

nash would you just sell brutalizer later on?

Well since the new patch I feel Randuins is almost a necessity very early in the game if you want to survive against BOTRK'S, and I've been meeting a lot of AP heavy teams thus I have to get bulwark fast.

I'd probably get Locket if I didn't get Brutalizer, but Brutalizer is really core to my solo queue build.

Sorry for all the questions I have and if this has already been answered, but why don't you get Locket of the Iron Solari anymore? I saw it's been pretty much been a standard rush for junglers like J4 and Xin in the LCS/general high Elo in the past few weeks. Did people stop rushing it due to the BotRK buff, or maybe you just decided it wasn't that good?

@Nap4lm : thanks, glad it works well for you too.

@imanoobyesiam : yeah as last item.

still buy botrk?

Fantastic Guide! The first time I followed it I got so astonished! The items match J4's kit perfectly and result in free wins every time. I've followed this guide several times and I have no desire to look at anyone else's guide because this guide contains everything I feel that J4 needs. Good job man!

You're right that he's squishy with that build, but as I usually spend most of my time botlane post 6, it isn't such a problem, even if I'm focused down I can usually damage the enemy team hard enough (even in a 3vs3) that my team will usually cleanup even if I die.

I tend to get focused / cc'd a lot and thus die a lot in teamfights/skirmishes but I usually deal enough damage while still providing cc / utility.

Even in lategame teamfights I don't mind dieing, Jarvan tends to die quite a bit in teamfights, unlike someone like Xin that has an ult that while providing strong initiation also makes him incredibly tanky for 6 sec which lets him survive the burst damage you take when you initiate.

Yo, great guide, really helped me to better understand jarvan. However, I want to point out/ask one question. I find that when I play against jarvan's that go madreds /boots 2/ brutalizer start they are extremely squishy and incredibly easy to countergank. I just make sure to keep my eye on his location and turn his ganks into doubles and triples for my team. Would it be better to buy madreds > giants belt and then go for boots 2/ brut? The only problem I see with jarvan serious enough to mention.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood. I'd say Q. Auto attack reset, bonus damage and knockup > 40% as + 26 heal per 3 autos imo.