Okay, thanks! I was just wondering what his first 2 skills should be in the jungle, since I've seen people get Q first, but also others get W first :P. Sorry about that!

@ iSe7eNz : OK I'll see if I have time to make one (you should max E first almost regardless of the situation on him).

About Spirit Stone well, Elder Lizard is strong all game but costs a ton, unless I get very fed I usually still prefer madred.

Just wanted to say, I certainly wouldn't mind a guide for Xin. It doesn't exactly have to be nearly as extensive as this one, since he's so straightforward. I'm interested in it since I want to pick up Xin Zhao (mainly as a top, but he's probably even better in the jungle), but I'm not exactly sure about his runes (marks), masteries (offense or defense?) and skill order (Q or W first?).

Also, have you decided on whether Spirit Stone's good for Jarvan, since you're maxing Q now?

@ Flu1d : Thanks ! I'll update with several ganking matchups that aren't in the guide yet have become popular picks (Lux, Nidalee for example).

I was also considering writing another guide for Xin Zhao but I am still unsure about that. I'm not even sure a guide is needed to play Xin, and it wouldn't have as much content as this one because J4 has much more potential than Xin who is just very straightforward.

Nash19 this is a VERY well detailed, well visually aided, well thought out, and well written guide. I would like to take some time to THANK you for building this. I have not tried it yet, I am at work. But I will give it a go the moment I get home, I'll take time to read all of it on shift (6 1/2 hours to go haha).

@ Gunze : Thanks, i'll consider adding more songs.

@ Evenus : Thanks, glad it worked for you too.

@ TheGodlikeNinja : I don't remember. I wrote it over like 5 months and only took time to write when I was in the mood. And thanks :P

how much time did u spend for doing tis guide?? It's aweome gj dude.

Just tested mobility + homeguard boots, there happened 34 kills on our side and i was helping with 33. Amazing.

This guide is really nice, and BIG! You should put more songs dude :p I recommand this guide, he's a solid player.

Glad to see it worked for you ! Will edit with Aegis/Runic which I underestimated badly.